|Frs. Brian H. (l) and Stuart S. (r)|
head up a "non-traditional" church in White Plains.
I started the interview by asking if I could ask a few questions, and then we were off.
Stuart: All of our systems are collapsing and the choice will be cooperate with others, form cooperatives, just two people, five people, ten people to solve problems. You know, all the issues, whatever concerns you, cancer, fracking, nuclear energy, Indian Point (Ed. Note: Indian Point is a nuclear facility about 50 miles north of New York City and we're all going to die), these are all issues that people have. And there are organizations, go join an organization if you want to join one. But really to get to the grass roots level people will begin to organize around issues, because the systems are interested in self-preservation. The end justifies the means. Every system is more concerned about its own survival than it is about truth, or about love, or about change or about what we need to be concerned with. To me Jesus is the way, the truth and the light and to me that [message] has really been killed in our society. Our education dumbs you down, religion dumbs you down, politicians. It's all about money and power so if you don't want to be dumbed down you have to make choices and distinctions.
We jumped off and I asked what Brian did for a living and he said he was a priest. He then said he was at one time a Catholic Worker and explained that the CW movement, a pacifo-anarchist movement, or "personalist," found that their philosophy didn't work. We then talked a little about anarchy, minarchy and libertarianism.
Stuart: Ron Paul was asked a question about some college kid who couldn't get healthcare and he said "well, so what? That's his problem." The problem is how do you change? If everyone was living responsibly then everyone could be anarchists, everyone could be libertarian. Which is the question always for libertarians, how are you going to regulate the crooks without force? (Ed. note: I don't know, but I'm working on it, but for now I'll settle with minarchism) There always has to be some form of state. Which as our system collapses, first we're in a state of fascism but after that you would hope for some cooperation between people. If everyone lived responsibly we wouldn't have these issues. Eventually you have to face the spiritual. The liberals are devoid of any kind of spiritual center.
With that a really horrible group of musicians playing some brass and an overly loud bass drum walked by and our interview ended. Brian was my last interview and I was glad for that. He made sense even though he was envisioning a world we both know will never exist.
It takes all kinds to occupy Wall Street, some are delusional, some are naive, some are stoned, some are rich little college kids, some are labor union operatives, and some are idealists. I for one was disappointed in what I saw and heard and claims to the contrary, I learned that this movement may have started organically, but it will soon be driven by money and propaganda.